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Nick Nicholas’ answer to What are some words or phrases that are only used in your region?

Necrologue: at least 100 followers. No exceptions. Well, one exception I made on April Fool’s Day, but that was a Let It Burn kind of day anyway.

Argologue: no restriction.

It’s a comparison you hear often (“Australia: a combination of the best parts of California and England”), and it’s not unfounded:

• Both are warmish—by Anglosphere standards
• Both are informal—by Anglosphere standards (insert “by Anglosphere standards” in all the following)
• Both are outgoing and friendly according to their own self-perception
• Both prioritise a relaxed lifestyle
• Both promote a beach culture
• Both have discovered winemaking
• Both have had (at least historically) a sense of optimism about the future
• Both got established through gold rushes

Having lived in both, California is still much closer to the American norm than anything in Australia, and I think the similarities are on the superficial side. For example, both are outgoing and friendly, but I still found Californians to be too in-your-face for me.

A close companion to What in your opinion is the ugliest/most unappealing script?

Cultural familiarity is going to defuse anyone’s opinion; so you won’t get many responses nominating Latin, or anything originating on the same continent as Latin.

Is it Lontara alphabet, optimised to be written on palm leaves? Is it Vai syllabary, which aesthetically occupies a middle ground between a syllabary (which it is) and hieroglyphics? Is it Ogham, which reduces letters to tally strokes?

I’m going to go with Duployan. Duployan is a French shorthand system, and Duployan was used to write down Chinook Jargon. That’s why it has been added to Unicode: Duployan (Unicode block).

As a shorthand, Duployan was designed for easy and fluent joining together of characters. What it was not designed for was straightforward rendering in either print or a computer screen. Read the rules for rendering the script in the 2009 proposal to include Duployan in Unicode, or the Unicode Technical Note Duployan Shorthand, and wince.

Like this kibbitzing site says: Crazy On Tap – Unicode 7

That Duployan by the way is an obscure form of shorthand that was proposed for a small number of weird languages, but which actually never caught on. All those languages use different orthographies now. Duployan is impossible to render using standard font engines because the shapes can combine in infinite combinations, and do stuff like the end of one segment connects to the start of the next, and they can rotate. It would be easier to implement rendering of fancy calligraphy or handwriting that looks totally real.

“Duployan orienting vowels are written by rotating the vowel to match the incoming angle of the preceding character, then mirrored along the axis of that character to avoid the following character crossing.”

Good luck updating your font renderer to handle this character range.

Let us now praise Australian hypocoristics. Or Diminutives in Australian English. I’ve seen hypocoristic used here, because the Australian forms aren’t used like normal diminutives, to indicate that something is cute or small; hence bikie “member of a motorcycle club, with a connotation of involved in criminal activity”. Of course, hypocoristic is just Greek for baby-talk (‘under child do’), which these aren’t either; but whatevs.

Have a look at that list linked above. Yes, we really do talk like that. It’s not just about throwing a shrimp on the barbie (and we call them prawns anyway).

We really do get aggro when cut off by some drongo in traffic, unless it’s an ambo or a firie; and sometimes that can end up in a biffo, especially if it’s some truckie in a semi from Tassie or Newie or Rocky. We really do like to have a bikkie or a sanger in the arvo with a cuppa, and a smashed avo toast with mushies for brekkie. And sometimes we head out to pick some grog up at the bottlo to chuck in the esky; we’d be devo if there’s no Crownies there. My wife has just got a job with the Salvos, but she does not deal directly with deros or povvos or housos [that last one is not in the Wikipedia list]. Tracey Bryan talks like that in Brissie; it’s a shame I didn’t catch up with her for Chrissie, but I had to stick around with the relos.

Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi.

Gotta get back to work from my (non-smoking) smoko; we got fined for not paying our rego last week, on the way to the servo, and I gotta pay it off. It’s enough to make you put on your sunnies and chuck a sickie, I tell ya. The pollies upped the rego price for revenue; that’s what the journos say. The Seppos would never fine you like that, tell you what.

(This is actually not that exaggerated. And I don’t see what the fuss is about with Crown Lager; I’ll take Cab Sav over that any day.)

Vote #1 Kim Huynh’s answer to What are the pros and cons of living in Australia specifically in Melbourne? This will be rather more superficial.

Pro Melbourne:

• Lots of parkland.
• Good public transport system (so long as you’re commuting to and from the CBD)
• Critical mass of culture in general
• Excellent foodie culture
• Excellent sporting culture
• Low crime rate
• Peaceable population, for the most part
• Pleasant surrounding countryside
• I live here. And really, what more do you need.

Contra Melbourne:

• The weather. Way too volatile, and searing hot or raining (or both within hours).
• Far away from anywhere (except Geelong, I guess). Even Sydney is an hour flight away.
• Cost of living is high
• Real estate is unaffordable
• Infrastructure is starting not to keep pace with the population
• Allied with both: emerging have and have-not geographical divide; it’s not as bad as Sydney yet, but it will be
• Not as many high-powered jobs going as in Sydney
• Like most coastal cities, a lot of it is going to be underwater in a few decades

Branagh’s. Yes, the casting was indulgent; but Full Text! Who does that any more!

You know that Latin saying de gustibus non disputandum? There’s no point arguing about taste? Because it’s individual?

The full saying is de gustibus et coloribus non disputandum. Because they’re both subjective experiences. As confirmed by #TheDress / What Color Is This Dress?

Green grapes and purple grapes have different taste and different colour. All the more non disputanda, then.

Green grapes are tart. They explode in your mouth with vivifying punch.

Purple grapes are sweet. They soothe your mouth with honeyed mellowness.

As another hallowed Interwebs meme has proclaimed:

Why Not Both? / Why Don’t We Have Both?

Perusing the entry for τιμάω in Liddell–Scott, the negative meaning you mention is not Epic, and first turns up in Plato and Aristophanes; LSJ describes it as an “Attic law term”. The transition is:

• to honour (since Homer)
• to award (as an honour) (in Tragedy)
• to award a penalty to someone, including a fine or a death sentence (in Attic legal contexts)
• (medial) to estimate the extent of one one’s own penalty (in Attic legal contexts)

It is a specialist meaning, and I’d expect that the main meaning, ‘to be honoured’, continued to be dominant; it certainly is the meaning you would expect in a non-legal context.

That outcome of <y> is specific to English, and as Y – Wikipedia says, it is through the influence of the obsolete English letter yogh, which was conflated with <y>:

Yogh – Wikipedia

The letter yogh (Ȝ ȝ; Middle English: yoȝ) was used in Middle English and Older Scots, representing y (/j/) and various velar phonemes. It was derived from the Old English form of the letter g. … It stood for /ɡ/ and its various allophones—including [ɡ] and the voiced velar fricative [ɣ]—as well as the phoneme /j/ (⟨y⟩ in modern English orthography).

The velar instances of yogh were replaced by <gh>; the palatal instances were replaced by the arguably similar-looking <y>.