There is a mental barrier for me, as a longtime resident of Melbourne: Melbourne ends at Mt Eliza. The mental barrier is to do with continuous buildings: there is a break in construction just south of Frankston, and there is empty land between Mt Eliza and Mornington (even if it is roughly 5 km).

The break in coverage of the metropolitan railway is another such construct: there is empty land between Dandenong and Pakenham (though not for long), but I think of Pakenham as part of Melbourne, because the train ends there.

There are people that commute into Melbourne CBD from the Mornington Peninsula, and for that matter from Geelong; but I would stick with the continuous building criterion. You are right that Melbourne has uncommon urban sprawl; and Sydney’s is worse. But I would think of Melbourne still as having a 50 km radius, not 100 km.

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How western is the republic of Greece and its locals?

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I’ll just add that the struggle between the Hellenic and the Romaic, the Western and the Eastern orientation of Greece, was a defining cultural conflict within Greece. Greeks were not Westerners on the foundation of the Modern Greek State. Greeks had to be taught they are Westerners. A lot of Greek culture is still not Western. And Greeks throughout the 19th century, and well into the 20th, referred to Western Europeans as Franks. Which they wouldn’t do if they considered themselves Western Europeans.

The term Franks has fallen into disuse in the past generation or two. Not coincidentally, Greeks have embraced the project of the European Union: for all that they loathe Germany right now and are pushed against the wall, they really do want to stay in.

Greek culture has been in transition; but then, all cultures always are. More importantly though, Greeks themselves have come to embrace a Western identity. Which matters more.

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